Platon Alexiades Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Hello, A French friend has requested if anyone could identify the identity of the ships in the attached photos. I could only identify with certainty the destroyer Augusto Riboty as I have very limited knowledge of Italian merchant ships. Giorgio Spazzapan has kindly provided the following: Greece 1 CALINO Greece 2 NON IDENTIFICATO Greece 3 (BURGAS e SINFRA ???) + HERCULES. Fanno da ridere i signori richiedenti che vedono la pagliuzza (BRURGAS e SINFRA) e non vedono la trave da infarto (Nereo ESIGE una copia ad altissima definizione) (HERCULES) Greece 4 RHEA + POTESTAS Greece 5 POTESTAS Greece 6 PIERLUIGI Greece 7 ALESSANDRO VOLTA + RIBOTY Greece 8 RIBOTY If anyone can contribute further information, such as dates for these photos, please let us know. Many thanks, Platon Edited August 18, 2015 by Corto Maltese Photos added to post + formatting Long John Silver, Giuseppe Garufi, sandokan and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loligo Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Foto Grece 7 deve essere correta da ANTONIO PACINOTTI a ALESSANDRO VOLTA Francesco De Domenico, Napy and Long John Silver 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long John Silver Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hello, A French friend has requested if anyone could identify the identity of the ships in the attached photos. I could only identify with certainty the destroyer Augusto Riboty as I have very limited knowledge of Italian merchant ships. Giorgio Spazzapan has kindly provided the following: Greece 1 CALINO Il mitico CALINO affondato tra Capri e P.ta Campanella che tutti dicono di aver trovato e pure visitato e mai foto fu mostrata... Ma ENOTRIA e MESSAPIA post conflitto erano gemelle gemelle? sandokan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napy Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Just to clarify the situation about VOLTA / PACINOTTI, I attach a pict from an old "Bolletino d'Archivio" (the credit is written on the bottom of the photo) taken in the same port and in the same period as the one above but showing the complete part of VOLTA. In the footstep of the pict is written PACINOTTI but we all know that PACINOTTI after the '30 modernisation retain only one funnel, so there are no dubt this is VOLTA. I think we are about in the end of 1942 because the camouflage is changed and it lost the white parts. Also RIBOTY shows the black part on the stern. Best regards Marco Ghiglino Corto Maltese, sandokan and Nereo Castelli 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platon Alexiades Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Many thanks to all for your comments and to Marco Ghiglino for the photo of VOLTA/PACINOTTI. Any clue when these photographs were taken? Looking at the RIBOTY file, she did about 40 visits to Patras in 1941-1942 so it is difficult to know on which one they were taken. Any info on when VOLTA visited Patras? Concerning the loss of CALINO near Capri in 1943: was the wreck really found? Platon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereo Castelli Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well, now that the steamer on the left of photo n.7 has been identified - without any doubt - as the ALESSANDRO VOLTA, is there an explanation why a cross seems to be on her funnel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long John Silver Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Concerning the loss of CALINO near Capri in 1943: was the wreck really found? As far as i recall Guido Pfeiffer & Claudio Corti dove a wreck over 150m deep near Capri in 2004. They thought it was the CALINO but they found the ILE DE BREHAT. They even wrote an article on SUB diving magazine.Since then I spoke with several divers who claimed they dove the CALINO but I never saw a photo/video... Bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well, now that the steamer on the left of photo n.7 has been identified - without any doubt - as the ALESSANDRO VOLTA, is there an explanation why a cross seems to be on her funnel? Nereo in my opinion are the manouvre lights or something similar (fanali di mischia???) that in the attached pict, from spring 1942, are besides the bridge.Probrably were moved in an higher position later on. Platon the pict in Patrasso is probably referred at period end of 1942/beginning 1943 because of the camouflage variation. Best regards Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereo Castelli Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Perhaps but, if one looks hard, also in your photo above, the cross can be seen even if faintly and it looks like an old painted sign. Do you have a photo of the same funnel with the previous camouflage? And/or of the opposite side of the funnel? Nereo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Hello Nereo, this pict is taken when the shid had the first camouflage, included the white parts. Looks like the funnel camouflage didn't change much!! I still don't see the cross... Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platon Alexiades Posted August 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Thanks again to "Long John Silver", Marco and Nereo for your contribution. Apparently the photos were also published on the Axis Forum and have made already the object of comments and requests by others. I have been informed that these photos come from French Archives (ECPAD or Établissement de Communication et Production Audiovisuelle de La Défense, at Fort d'Ivry in Paris). I am informing my French friends of your findings. Cordiali Saluti, Platon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereo Castelli Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Marco, the photo is not attached... Nereo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Marco, the photo is not attached... NereoNereo, I meant the photo that I already attached before is taken with the old camouflage, the first one, wore on spring 1942. MArco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nereo Castelli Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Marco ok, understood. I attach two photos (collezione Cicogna) of the ALESSANDRO VOLTA. There are no dates and I suppose that that is the first camouflage – in the first photo, it is interesting to note that the funnels are still without dazzle paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Very interesting comparison between 2 pict!!!! Thanks Nereo. What I can say is that when the camouflage was not paint during the yard times, it was made in port with the ship ready (nave pronta) so sometimes was happening that even if it was not finished yet, the ship was leaving the harbour with incomplete or partial camouflage. There are some famous example with the battleships wearing part of old and part of new camouflage leaving for mission. Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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