Platon Alexiades Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 At 1329 hours on 8 September 1943, the submarine HMS Unrivalled attacked with torpedoes a small armed merchant ship leaving Bari for a northward destination, The torpedoes missed and the target opened fire on the submarine before returning to Bari, This was the last Allied submarine attack on Italian shipping before the Armistice came into effect.Can anyone identify this vessel? Many thanks, Platon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesco Mattesini Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Caro Platon, per quanto abbia cercato non sono in grado di darti nessuna notizia sil'attacco dell 'UNRIVALLED. La documentazione dell'8 settembre é quasi inesistente, limitata solatanto ad avvenimenti tragici di quel giorno. Spiacente Franco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platon Alexiades Posted July 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Dear Franco, Many thanks for your answer. I was hoping perhaps someone left a memoir mentioning this incident. The page of the submarine HMS Ultor was recently updated on uboat.net and the page of HMS Unrivalled will soon be. Cordialmente, Platon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domenico C. Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Se può essere utile, secondo l’ultima situazione di Maricotraf del 7.09.43 i piroscafi di cui è prevista la partenza il giorno successivo da Bari verso Nord risultano essere:APUANIA, prevista partenza alle 15.00 per Durazzo.RINUCCI, prevista partenza (senza indicazione di orario) per Antivari (=Bar) e Spalato.LUANA, prevista partenza (senza indicazione di orario) per Antivari.Tutti e tre isolati e , sembra, senza scorta, dato che non è indicato nulla a riguardo.Inoltre il pf ACILIA è indicato “Pronto per carico e trasferimento Ancona” (ma ritengo che in questo caso la nave fosse ancora in attesa di ordini per il viaggio).E’ possibile quindi che l’attacco dell’UNRIVALLED sia contro uno di questi piroscafi. Se è così, i candidati più probabili potrebbero essere RINUCCI o LUANA, per entrambi i quali il tonnellaggio e rotta prevista corrisponderebbero abbastanza bene alle circostanze dell’attacco dell’UNRIVALLED. Domenico C. Platon Alexiades 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platon Alexiades Posted August 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Dear Domenico, Many thanks for your information which is very useful. We can eliminate APUANIA as she was too large. HMS UNRIVALLED estimated the target as 800-1000 tons so logically RINUCCI or LUANA are a better choice as they are about 1200 GRT. However, I would observe from experience that when a submarine commander evaluates a target as 800-1000 tons, she is more like 500 tons! But off course there are exceptions. Another element of doubt is that the target was described as "well armed" (a reason why the submarine did not try to sink her by gunfire). To my knowledge RINUCCI or LUANA were not armed. Perhaps the target was an auxiliary? All the best, Platon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domenico C. Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Il documento di Maricotraf citato elenca solo i movimenti delle navi mercantili e non quelle militari. Quindi, naturamente, il bersaglio dell'attacco dell'UNRIVALLED potrebbe essere anche un piccolo piroscafo requisito della Vigilanza Foranea o qualche altra nave.Per quanto riguarda l'APUANIA ovviamente si trattava del piroscafo di 275 grt e non dell'omonima motonave di 7949 grt.Domenico C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platon Alexiades Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Dear Domenico, Thanks for the precision concerning APUANIA. So she may have been after all the target if she sailed earlier than announced as I am not surprised if a submarine commander mistakes a 275 GRT vessel for an 800 GRT one. But as you say it may also have been one of Vigilanza Foranea. All the best, Platon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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