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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Francesco De Domenico in La verità su Punta Stilo su un documento ufficiale dell'Ammiragliato Britannico   
    Dear Franco and Riccardo,
    Perhaps the best way to settle the controversy surrounding HMS Malaya on 9 July 1940 is to check her report (I have attached extracts).
    As you can see she opened fire at 1603 hours at 29,700 yards (27,150 metres) with four salvoes which fell short. Three more salvoes were fired at 1608 hours but again fell short.
    I am no expert on the battle of Punta Stilo but hope this will help.
    Cordialmente,
    Platon


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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Nereo Castelli in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    Dear Francesco,
    Thank you for the acknowledgment. Today the Malta Times published an article:
    https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/confirmed-wreck-off-malta-is-the-submarine-sunk-in-1942.870478
    I am attaching a photo of the image of the wreck as reconstructed by the the 3D cameras. I expect the University of Malta to submit better ones on their site in the near future.
    I would also like to thank my friend Francesco Mattesini who wrote quite a bit on HMS Urge even though we did not always agree on her fate! He kept the story of this submarine alive and I am thankful for very lively discussions!
    All the best,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Giuseppe Garufi in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    Dear Francesco,
    Thank you for the acknowledgment. Today the Malta Times published an article:
    https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/confirmed-wreck-off-malta-is-the-submarine-sunk-in-1942.870478
    I am attaching a photo of the image of the wreck as reconstructed by the the 3D cameras. I expect the University of Malta to submit better ones on their site in the near future.
    I would also like to thank my friend Francesco Mattesini who wrote quite a bit on HMS Urge even though we did not always agree on her fate! He kept the story of this submarine alive and I am thankful for very lively discussions!
    All the best,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Iscandar in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    In the last few days, a diving team led by Professor Timmy Gambin from the University of Malta have closely examined the wreck of HMS Urge which was found off Grand Harbour in 2019. They have brought back definite proof of her identity as the name of “URGE” could clearly be seen on the port side of the conning tower. The wreck is very deep (115 metres) making the dive difficult and the bottom time very short.
    https://www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/exclusive-new-footage-confirms-hms-urge-is-the-submarine-outside-grand-harbour/
    Our thanks to Timmy and his team for a very difficult undertaking.
    There had been no doubt that the wreck was that of HMS Urge as no other ‘U’ class submarine was known to be lost in the area (North East Searched Channel).
    Some had claimed that the wreck was that of HMS Pandora which was absurd as the ‘U’ and ‘P’ class were quite distinct in size and features. A couple of articles had been written about a supposed discovery of the wreck at Ras Hilal (Libya) but this wreck was known to be that of U-205 and already examined by divers. HMS Urge had never received orders to go to Ras Hilal and all the claims that her commander would go there  and surface in daylight were pure fantasy and groundless. A careful examination of the documents of the period showed that even if the submarine had managed to escape the mines in Malta, she could not have reached Ras Hilal on the morning of 29 April when a submarine was supposedly sighted and attacked by a CR-42 fighter.
    The submarine apparently hit a mine laid by the 3rd Schnellbootflottille (MTBs) on 20 April 1942. There were no survivors.
    The wreck is a war grave and will not be disturbed.
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades reacted to Francesco De Domenico in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    Abbiamo finalmente la  parola definitiva, che aspettavamo da tempo, su una lunga querelle ...Grazie, Platon, e grazie agli operatori maltesi.
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    Platon Alexiades reacted to Francesco De Domenico in "There'll always be an England in the United States Navy"   
    USS ENGLAND DE-635  era un destroyer-escort della classe BUCKLEY, nota anche come TE, Turbine Electric drive, in quanto propulsa da due turbine a vapore della General Electric. Costruito da Bethlehem Shipyard Corp.  a San Francisco, varato il 26 settembre 1943 avendo come madrina la signora H.B.England, la madre del guardiamarina John Charles England. Era uno dei 415 caduti a bordo della corazzata OKLAHOMA a Pearl Harbor il 7 dicembre 1941, perito dopo aver portato  in salvo ad uno ad uno tre uomini tratti dalla sala radio ormai sommersa della nave che si stava capovolgendo, scomparso durante il suo quarto tentativo di recare soccorso. Il suo comandante era il Lt. Commander W.B. Pendleton, con cui la nave entra in servizio il 10 dicembre 1943.
    ENGLAND arriva in zona di operazioni a Espiritu Santo il 12 marzo 1944 per compiere missioni di scorta nelle isole Salomone. Lascia Port Purvis il 18 maggio in gruppo  con altri due DE gemelli, GEORGE e RABY, in quanto l'intelligence della marina aveva appreso dell'invio di un grande sommergibile nipponico, I-16, per rifornire la guarnigione rimasta isolata di Buin nell'isola di Bougainville (Salomone),  ormai da tempo bypassata dall'avanzata americana nel Pacifico del Sudovest, e del contestuale dispiegamento di una linea di pattuglia composta  da due sommergibili grandi (I-44 e I-53) e dieci sommergibili medi  della serie RO (RO-104 a 106, 108, 109, 111 a 113,  116, 117) per individuare  e attaccare eventuali forze navali americane al largo della Nuova Guinea   nell'Operazione "Na".
    Il 19 maggio ENGLAND individua ed affonda innanzitutto lo I-16 con una salva del suo hedgehog Mk 10  montato a prua (porcospino, un mortaio capace di lanciare simultaneamente 24 granate antisom da 100 libbre sviluppato in Gran Bretagna). Poi passa ad intercettare la linea di pattuglia a nordovest della New Ireland, ed affonda sempre con le salve del suo hedgehog il 22 maggio il RO-106, il 23 maggio il RO-104, il 24 maggio il RO-116, il 26 maggio il RO-108. Gli altri due DE partecipano in tre occasioni all'inizio delle azioni, ma gli affondamenti sono sempre e solo suoi. 
    ENGLAND va quindi a Manus per rifornirsi di granate per il suo mortaio, poi rientra in  azione con un gruppo hunter-killer composto da una portaerei di scorta con quattro DE. Il 31  maggio il gruppo va all'attacco del RO-105, ma i quattro non riescono ad affondarlo. Il capodivisione trasmette allora all'ENGLAND il messaggio radio "Oh cavolo. Fatti sotto ENGLAND", e il nostro affonda il battello con la sua prima salva di granate. In tutto, sei sommergibili giapponesi distrutti in 12 giorni: un record mai eguagliato da nessuna nave durante l'intera guerra,  che vale alla nave una Presidential Unit Citation.
    L'ammiraglio Ernest J. King, Chief of Naval Operations,  non precisamente un amico degli inglesi, pronuncia allora la frase a doppio senso del nostro titolo. "ci sarà sempre un ENGLAND, un'Inghilterra,  nella marina americana".   
    Purtroppo il 6 maggio 1945, mentre era in pattuglia e di sentinella a nord  delle Kerama Retto (Okinawa), ENGLAND viene attaccato da tre kamikaze e colpito da uno di essi sul lato di dritta, proprio sotto il ponte di comando, con gravi danni e 37 tra morti e dispersi e 25 feriti a bordo. Rimorchiato alle Kerama, poi a Leyte. Arriva a Philadelphia il 16 luglio 1945 per esservi riparato e insieme convertito in trasporto veloce (APD-41, Auxiliary, Personnel Transport, Destroyer, come molti altri DE), ma la fine della guerra blocca la trasformazione. Il 15 ottobre 1945 lascia quindi  il servizio, il 1° novembre viene radiato e  il 26 novembre 1946 viene venduto per demolizione alla Northern Metals Corp. di Philadelphia,  cui viene consegnato il 10 dicembre successivo,  con davvero scarso rispetto per gli eccezionali risultati conseguiti, che avrebbero meritato un diverso destino...
    Il 6 ottobre 1960 il nome ENGLAND viene assegnato al DLG-22 poi CG-22 della classe LEAHY, in servizio dal 7 dicembre 1963 al 21 gennaio 1994. 
     
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    Platon Alexiades reacted to Francesco De Domenico in "There'll always be an England in the United States Navy"   
    USS ENGLAND, I-26 e RO della serie 100.
    ENGLAND da Mark Lardas "US Navy Destroyer Escorts of Woirld War", Osprey Publishing, 2020
    I-16 da Anthony J. Watts e Brian G. Gordon "The Imperial Japanese Navy", Macdonald, 1971
    RO-100 a 117 da Hansgeorg Jentschura, Dieter Jung e Peter Mickel, "Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869-1945", Arms and Armour Press, 1977
    Le ultime due foto di USS ENGLAND,  da navsource.org, lo mostrano dopo il danneggiamento di Okinawa a Philadelphia il 21 luglio 1945 e a San Francesco il 9 febbraio 1944 prima dell'azione del maggio 1944.



     
     


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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Francesco De Domenico in Wreck of the submarine HMS Urge at Malta (update)   
    https://www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/exclusive-new-footage-confirms-hms-urge-is-the-submarine-outside-grand-harbour/
    See the "Storia" section for more details.
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Francesco De Domenico in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    In the last few days, a diving team led by Professor Timmy Gambin from the University of Malta have closely examined the wreck of HMS Urge which was found off Grand Harbour in 2019. They have brought back definite proof of her identity as the name of “URGE” could clearly be seen on the port side of the conning tower. The wreck is very deep (115 metres) making the dive difficult and the bottom time very short.
    https://www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/exclusive-new-footage-confirms-hms-urge-is-the-submarine-outside-grand-harbour/
    Our thanks to Timmy and his team for a very difficult undertaking.
    There had been no doubt that the wreck was that of HMS Urge as no other ‘U’ class submarine was known to be lost in the area (North East Searched Channel).
    Some had claimed that the wreck was that of HMS Pandora which was absurd as the ‘U’ and ‘P’ class were quite distinct in size and features. A couple of articles had been written about a supposed discovery of the wreck at Ras Hilal (Libya) but this wreck was known to be that of U-205 and already examined by divers. HMS Urge had never received orders to go to Ras Hilal and all the claims that her commander would go there  and surface in daylight were pure fantasy and groundless. A careful examination of the documents of the period showed that even if the submarine had managed to escape the mines in Malta, she could not have reached Ras Hilal on the morning of 29 April when a submarine was supposedly sighted and attacked by a CR-42 fighter.
    The submarine apparently hit a mine laid by the 3rd Schnellbootflottille (MTBs) on 20 April 1942. There were no survivors.
    The wreck is a war grave and will not be disturbed.
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from sandokan in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    In the last few days, a diving team led by Professor Timmy Gambin from the University of Malta have closely examined the wreck of HMS Urge which was found off Grand Harbour in 2019. They have brought back definite proof of her identity as the name of “URGE” could clearly be seen on the port side of the conning tower. The wreck is very deep (115 metres) making the dive difficult and the bottom time very short.
    https://www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/exclusive-new-footage-confirms-hms-urge-is-the-submarine-outside-grand-harbour/
    Our thanks to Timmy and his team for a very difficult undertaking.
    There had been no doubt that the wreck was that of HMS Urge as no other ‘U’ class submarine was known to be lost in the area (North East Searched Channel).
    Some had claimed that the wreck was that of HMS Pandora which was absurd as the ‘U’ and ‘P’ class were quite distinct in size and features. A couple of articles had been written about a supposed discovery of the wreck at Ras Hilal (Libya) but this wreck was known to be that of U-205 and already examined by divers. HMS Urge had never received orders to go to Ras Hilal and all the claims that her commander would go there  and surface in daylight were pure fantasy and groundless. A careful examination of the documents of the period showed that even if the submarine had managed to escape the mines in Malta, she could not have reached Ras Hilal on the morning of 29 April when a submarine was supposedly sighted and attacked by a CR-42 fighter.
    The submarine apparently hit a mine laid by the 3rd Schnellbootflottille (MTBs) on 20 April 1942. There were no survivors.
    The wreck is a war grave and will not be disturbed.
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Giuseppe Garufi in Confirmation of the identity of the wreck of the submarine HMS Urge off Malta   
    In the last few days, a diving team led by Professor Timmy Gambin from the University of Malta have closely examined the wreck of HMS Urge which was found off Grand Harbour in 2019. They have brought back definite proof of her identity as the name of “URGE” could clearly be seen on the port side of the conning tower. The wreck is very deep (115 metres) making the dive difficult and the bottom time very short.
    https://www.tvm.com.mt/en/news/exclusive-new-footage-confirms-hms-urge-is-the-submarine-outside-grand-harbour/
    Our thanks to Timmy and his team for a very difficult undertaking.
    There had been no doubt that the wreck was that of HMS Urge as no other ‘U’ class submarine was known to be lost in the area (North East Searched Channel).
    Some had claimed that the wreck was that of HMS Pandora which was absurd as the ‘U’ and ‘P’ class were quite distinct in size and features. A couple of articles had been written about a supposed discovery of the wreck at Ras Hilal (Libya) but this wreck was known to be that of U-205 and already examined by divers. HMS Urge had never received orders to go to Ras Hilal and all the claims that her commander would go there  and surface in daylight were pure fantasy and groundless. A careful examination of the documents of the period showed that even if the submarine had managed to escape the mines in Malta, she could not have reached Ras Hilal on the morning of 29 April when a submarine was supposedly sighted and attacked by a CR-42 fighter.
    The submarine apparently hit a mine laid by the 3rd Schnellbootflottille (MTBs) on 20 April 1942. There were no survivors.
    The wreck is a war grave and will not be disturbed.
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Iscandar in Launch of frigate Emilio Bianchi   
    Dear Giuseppe,
     
    It would indeed be very special if the two ships return to Alexandria under Egyptian colours. Many thanks for the comments!
     
    All the best,
     
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Giuseppe Garufi in Launch of frigate Emilio Bianchi   
    Dear Giuseppe,
    It is nice to know that in a way, Emilio Bianchi is returning to Alexandria after 80 years. Many thanks for the link!
    All the best,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Napy in Piroscafo Bajamonti affondato a Messina (Agosto 1943)   
    Dear Francesco,
    Many thanks! You are a fountain of knowledge!
    All the best,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from sandokan in ENIGMA DELL'ATTACCO DEL CB. 4 LA NOTTE DEL 15/16 SETTEMBRE 1943   
    Caro Franco,
    Olinca is in Roumania: ca. 44°50'45" N, 29°30'50" E. The minefield of L 6 was laid from 44°45.5' N, 30°17.2' E, etc.
    Cordialmente,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Luiz in Relitto Sommergibile USS Grenadier?   
    It appears that the wreck of this submarine was probably found.
    https://apnews.com/15a7061222add012d94cbc8dadfb112b?fbclid=IwAR3VUjeS1SB4iUVQssWz79AdbfEAd4VcQCBSi7DmQ_BuSDEtWgpzt4rUZC4
    It seems that wreck discoveries are accelerating as boundaries of underwater exploration are pushed farther.
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades reacted to Francesco Mattesini in I SOMMERGIBILI TASCABILI ITALIANI NEL MAR NERO (Maggio 1942 – Agosto 1944)   
    Il saggio si trova in:
    https://independent.academia.edu/FrancescoMattesini
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from sandokan in relitto Silvia Onorato (affondato 20.07.1943)   
    A French team has been exploring the wreck of the auxiliary Silvia Onorato (F.50, 207 GRT, 1895) sunk by HMS Safari off Corsica on 20.07.1943. There is a photo of her dated 1924 but they are looking for more recent photos and any information on this vessel and list of crew and victims. According to Lloyd her size was 140.5 x 21.3 x 11.9 feet (42.8 x 6.5 x 3.6 metres) and I know she was armed with one 76/40 gun and eight depth charges but little else.
    Many thanks,
    Platon
     
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from sandokan in Relitto Incrociatore Karlsruhe (Aprile 1940)   
    Thank you Iskandar. It appears the wreck lost its bows, probably due to a torpedo from GREIF which finished her off. 
    Best regards,
    Platon

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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from sandokan in Relitto Incrociatore Karlsruhe (Aprile 1940)   
    Dear Francesco,
    Indeed the design of the German "K" light cruisers  was not successful and their operational life was very restricted with transporting troops to Norway perhaps the high point of their career.
    All the best,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from sandokan in Relitto Incrociatore Karlsruhe (Aprile 1940)   
    The wreck of the German light cruiser KARLSRUHE was located. She had been sunk by the submarine HMS TRUANT (Lt. Cdr. C.H. Hutchinson, RN) on 9 April 1940, the same day Norway was invaded. Ten torpedoes had been fired but only one hit her stern and it was enough. 
    https://www.statnett.no/en/about-statnett/news-and-press-releases/news-archive-2020/unique-discovery-on-the-seabed-wreck-of-sunken-wwii-warship-discovered-after-80-years
    An interesting find!
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Giuseppe Garufi in Relitto Incrociatore Karlsruhe (Aprile 1940)   
    Dear Francesco,
    Indeed the design of the German "K" light cruisers  was not successful and their operational life was very restricted with transporting troops to Norway perhaps the high point of their career.
    All the best,
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Danilo Pellegrini in Relitto Incrociatore Karlsruhe (Aprile 1940)   
    The wreck of the German light cruiser KARLSRUHE was located. She had been sunk by the submarine HMS TRUANT (Lt. Cdr. C.H. Hutchinson, RN) on 9 April 1940, the same day Norway was invaded. Ten torpedoes had been fired but only one hit her stern and it was enough. 
    https://www.statnett.no/en/about-statnett/news-and-press-releases/news-archive-2020/unique-discovery-on-the-seabed-wreck-of-sunken-wwii-warship-discovered-after-80-years
    An interesting find!
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades got a reaction from Giuseppe Garufi in Relitto Incrociatore Karlsruhe (Aprile 1940)   
    The wreck of the German light cruiser KARLSRUHE was located. She had been sunk by the submarine HMS TRUANT (Lt. Cdr. C.H. Hutchinson, RN) on 9 April 1940, the same day Norway was invaded. Ten torpedoes had been fired but only one hit her stern and it was enough. 
    https://www.statnett.no/en/about-statnett/news-and-press-releases/news-archive-2020/unique-discovery-on-the-seabed-wreck-of-sunken-wwii-warship-discovered-after-80-years
    An interesting find!
    Platon
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    Platon Alexiades reacted to Napy in Sulle costruzioni chiodate, in particolare i sommergibili italiani   
    Buongiorno,
    vedo con piacere che il forum è tornato operativo. 
    La foto del TRITONE però a me sembra che mostri lo scafo non resistente tutto saldato (e completo), non è che l'operaio nella foto stia facendo i fori intorno al tubo lanciasiluri?
    Poi sicuramente a Monfalcone hanno continuato ad usare per alcune parti dello scafo la chiodatura, ma la maggior parte delle lavorazioni era saldata.
    Marco
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