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Ma è proprio l'URGE (2)? Si' e' lui.


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Apro questo thread per la difficoltà di postare ancora sul precedente. Come ho già scritto, il cannone da 12 pounder era una versione precedente del 3 pollici (76.2 mm), mentre il cannone da 57 mm era il 6 pounder, utilizzato ad esempio dalle motocannoniere MGB della Royal Navy durante e dopo la 2a g.m.

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Dear Francesco,

 

I am trying to post this answer to your remark but my message cannot be saved for some unknown reason.

 

Regarding your remark on the 12-pounder = 3 inch (76mm) gun. This is quite possible, most of the documents including technical drawings of HMS Urge just refer to them as "12-pdr" without giving them a bore. I saw only one single document mentioning it was 57mm so this was most probably an error, in this case my apologies! The weight of the shell does make it heavy for 57mm guns. The length of the gun on HMS Urge appears rather small (about 2 metres).

 

Many thanks for your comments.

 

Platon

 

Apro questo thread per la difficoltà di postare ancora sul precedente. Come ho già scritto, il cannone da 12 pounder era una versione precedente del 3 pollici (76.2 mm), mentre il cannone da 57 mm era il 6 pounder, utilizzato ad esempio dalle motocannoniere MGB della Royal Navy durante e dopo la 2a g.m.

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Ricevo dal Presidente questa serie di foto e disegni del relitto.

 

Aft eye

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Mooring eye

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Diving plane

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Urge - gun

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Urge gun

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Torpedo loading hatch

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Urge sonar compare(Image Credit University of Malta Project Spur)

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Non è purtroppo possibile postare il filmato cui più volte si è accennato.

 

Buona serata.

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Dear Giuseppe,

 

Many thanks for posting these items. I was unable to do so.

 

Readers of this forum who wish to see a short video clip of the wreck (about 3 minutes or 500 MB) can contact me by email to get a Dropbox link (I need your email address to make it available).

 

Best regards,

 

Platon

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After an exchange with a friend of Misson on uboat.net, I have now understood why he suddenly switched from "absolute certainty" that the wreck was HMS Odin to a new theory that the wreck was HMS Upholder. I had not realised that he mistook the mooring eye for an external torpedo tube and he thought he was watching the bow section of the submarine when the mooring eye is actually aft.

I regret to disappoint some but the wreck is certainly not that of HMS Upholder, although it could also have been very exciting.

 

If interest in the video (kindly posted by Danilo Pellegrini, many thanks!) and other photos has now faded, I will removed them from my Dropbox to save space.

 

Thank you,

 

Platon

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I understand from various contacts that Misson is now claiming that the submarine we found is HMS P36 which was raised after the war and scuttled off Malta. This is another error from his part as the wreck of HMS P36 is well known in Malta and is located about 8 nautical miles to the northwest of HMS Urge.

 

I expect he will go through the whole list of "U" class submarines pretty soon.

 

Thank you,

 

Platon

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